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8 June 2004
Heritage Victoria nomination of Stringybark Ck and Kellys Creek.


Kelly target tree log
recovered from Kelly Ck bog. 14 Jan 2004



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1860's to recent times.
Follow the key events leading  to the shootout at Stringybark and up to the present day.

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NEW

recent discovery,
photo of the  chopped trees at the 1878 Kelly camp to recover fired bullet lead.
See
story 8


 
NEW 
The Kelly campfire
and bullet holed skull

See story 10





NEW, Ned Kelly Centre Glenrowan
See
story 11

Proposed design
concept by
architect Penleigh Boyd and Bill Denheld .


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INTRODUCTION

Two Huts at
Stringybark Creek.




A PROBLEM TO SOLVE


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 STORY 1

The importance of the   huts at Stringybark Ck.
The above powder flask
was found within one of the huts. floor plan.


STORY 2

One hut or two.
The hut site was marked on a 1884 survey map

STORY 3

Orientation of the
Burman photo.
The police camp then and now.


STORY 4

Read how an 1878 photo
lead to finding the bush hut fireplaces.


STORY 5

A Kelly tree history
.
The tree is 350 - 400 meters from where the original stood.

STORY 6

McIntyre's sketch and the Burman photos compared.

STORY
7

BLUE RANGE, crucial to the Kelly story?


STORY 8

The Bullets of Kellys Ck
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My story 1985

STORY 9

The Kelly hut on Bullock Creek may not have been the only hut.


The Kelly target tree was first made public by Bill Stewart 1985.  Read about the Kelly tree on Kellys Creek.



STORY 10

Ned Kelly's death mask.
See it in true 3D

virtual reality.



The EK marked gun,



T
he Kelly camp fire.



STORY 11

The new proposed
Ned Kelly Centre at
Glenrowan by architect
Penleigh Boyd
and Bill Denheld



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GERMAN'S CREEK
runs between Stringybark and Kellys Creeks. It is thought to be the creek where the final killing of Sergeant Kennedy by the Kellys occurred on 26 October 1878.

Sergeant Kennedy was the officer in charge of the Mansfield party to hunt for the Kelly brothers. Following the fatal shootout with Ned Kelly at Stringybark Ck where two police were killed, the Sergeants body was not found till five days later about 600 yards away. The exact spot was never marked. The quest to find that spot had been thought too difficult. However, from the references in publications of the time, plus the use of Global Positioning Systems, we have pinpointed the most likely area.
 

One may well ask why it is important to identify this site? With a major stone monument in honour for the three fallen police in the centre of Mansfield town, isn't it rather sad that nobody had bothered to mark the actual sites so long ago? While Constables Lonigan and Scanlan's tragic fate was at Stringybark Creek, Sergeant Kennedy is synonymous with German's creek, not Stringybark Ck. It is important to identify the true historic sites, - if only in pursuit of truth and knowledge.

On 28 August 2004 and leading up to that time a small group ventured to locate the true site at Germans Creek. They were, Tim Smith, Joe Dipisa, myself Bill Denheld and several others.  Picture, McMenomy's book courtesy Police Historical Unit.
 
 

The evidence. Both these pictures have flat ground and gentle rising slope in the background, Both pictures have a ' light 'source from the North. In the left picture, the trees are over exposed with light offering little shadow detail. However, the cloak over the body gives strong indications where the light source is, a midday sun in a November Northern sky. Note; the folds in his trousers, the light falling on his back show the light source coming from above left, the cloak shows a light and dark side indicating light from the left hand side of the picture.

Above right. The image of Tim Smith in a natural clearing, examines the similarities of the terrain. The original image (above left) shows the actual tree where the Sergeants body was found. It was recorded the tree was between the body and the police camp (some 30 chains to the South East). If we analyse this scenario, you will conclude, the scene depicted in the old photo has to be on the Eastern bank of German Creek looking East.
Although this clear area was first selected as the main contender for the spot, it is a little too small. A larger more probable area is nearby.

Some considerations;


If, as suggested in contemporary publications that, ' the Sergeant's body was found on the other side or of the Creek', then there is a problem with this old photo,-  as the sun light would still have to come from a Northerly direction. The problem is, the sun light clearly comes from the left in the photo.  Also, if the body was found on the other side of the creek and photographed as such, the body would be  'between' the tree and the police camp. ( which it was not )

It was recorded at the time of finding the body;
" The spot was open for about 8 yards around about. We had not gone 30 chains when a young man Sparrow sang out here is something, here it is.

In Constable McIntyre's Manuscript he quotes a telegram by Henry Pewtress;
"The body had been found 8 AM in the midst of some ferns over a 1/4 mile down the creek from the site of our encampment."


What we were looking for was a relatively flat bit of ground. Using Tim's GPS we found what may well be that illusive ground. We don't believe much would have changed here in 126 years.

Below, Tim considers this site on the eastern bank, but by all descriptions the clear area is a little too small, however this site could still fit all the criteria. It is one of two identical type sites that fit. This one is further up the creek some 20 yards away from the chosen larger clear area where a cairn of rocks has been started.

 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Note; this clearing fits all criteria.
It is 8 yards round about, in the midst of some ferns
even today.

Following is a record of most ( if not all) references to the finding of Sergeant Kennedy's body circa 1878 including recent publications.

From the records and publications,
a guide to where the body of Sergeant Kennedy was found  ;

Outlaws of the Wombat ranges by- G. Wilson Hall, 1879
Page 32 SLoV* transcript, or ( Page 29 Brian McDonald's edition)- Outlaws--  G.W.Hall  wrote; 30 chains ( = 662 yards). Hall actually visited the site.
Page 35 SLoV* transcript, or ( Page 31 of
Brian Mc's) -, headed due west. It also says Kennedy followed similar route but at a slightly different angle.
* State Library of Victoria.

In McIntyre's Manuscript – courtesy Police Historical Unit -date unknown
he say's,  jumped on Kennedy's horse he headed North. He also said he headed due west.

Page 37  A telegram by Henry Pewtress  wrote -
the body was found about a mile N.E by a volunteer Henry Sparrow. Note, North East is obviously wrong. On the same page McIntyre says - The body had been found 8 Am in the midst of some ferns over a 1/4 mile down the creek from the site of our encampment.

J.J. Kenneally, Inner History -Page 59  " a farmer Tomkins* crossing 'Stringybark' came across the body 1/4 mile from the police camp."  * Tomkins was actually the President of Mansfield Shire. SEE McIntyre's Manuscript.

Colonial doctor and his town, J Gillison 1974 Son of doctor Willy Reynolds,
-body found 400 yards from the camp.

Keith Mc Menomy's 1984 book says,- " the body just North* of German’s Ck- about a quarter of a mile North West. The spot was open for about 8 yards around about. We had not gone 30 chains when a young man Sparrow sang out here is something, here it is".  *The 2001 edition only says North west.

Ian Jones writes; in 'A Short Life', Page 137 and 2nd edition Page 122,  
" Ned crossed German's Ck and started up the flank of its gully".


400 yards is about 1/4 mile or 437 meters
30 chains = 662 yards , this is more than 1/3 but less than 1/2 mile.

Contradictions ; McIntyre's Manuscript is rather contradictory as it infers the body was found on Stringybark as he writes; a 1/4 mile down the creek from the site of our encampment. ( this does not help and is a puzzle), could this mean the body was found on Stringybark Ck? Even the telegram by Henry Pewtress said a mile North East ?

In J.J. Kenneally's book, the farmer "crossed Stringybark to find the body 1/4 mile from the police camp". As co writer of J.J.K's book, Tom Lloyd would have known the true location where the Sergeant was found. To find the spot we have identified you would definitely have to cross Stringybark, but not German's Ck. No doubt.

Conclusions ; In all the original texts nowhere does it say crossing German’s creek. Nowhere in any of the original text does it say the body was found on the other side of German’s Creek except in Ian Jones and in Keith McMenomy’s books. ( In J.J Kenneally’s book The Inner History of the Kelly Gang, refers to crossing Stringybark Ck. before finding the body.)

We may conclude Sergeant Kennedy's body was found at German's Creek because McIntyre claimed Kennedy followed his direction of escape - due west.
(he also said North, perhaps meaning he headed due west after first heading North.)  In fact the spot we have identified is North West approximately 670 meters or 30 chains from the police camp at Stringybark Creek. McIntyre was present for the search of the Sergeant, so his account has to be believed.

It is also recorded in Ned Kelly's own account, - Dan went to the creek to get some water for the Sergeant to drink. In our scenario, the creek would have been immediately behind where the photographs were taken. Both Stringybark and Kellys Creeks would have been too far away to fetch water.

More pictures in support

When we were looking for the most likely site, we began by  looking for a site North of Germans Creek. This turns out to be a conundrum as Germans Creek runs North South, so how could a site be north? We did find a major tributary that runs west from Germans Ck, so it could be possible to say there was a northern side to that tributary.

In this spot we are about the right distance on the West bank of the creek looking West, Notice the light comes from the Right hand side of the picture which is contrary to the original Burman photo with light coming from the left hand side. This light orientation reveals the spot above or any other on the west bank to be wrong.

Pictured below, This site is the larger of the two selected. The depression in the ground is where we believe a giant Gum tree (similar to that shown in the original picture) stood and near that, possibly where the Sergeant was killed. 
Picture, Tim Smith.




We can never be certain about anything, however, the depression, today forming a puddle could well be where a rotted tree stump had stood. The big tree would have been saw milled 1930's by the Mc Cashney's Kellys Creek sawmill nearby.

As a tree stump and its root structure rots away leaving a depression, this  eventually fills with debris and humus. In this case, at this location the nearby creek and the open clearing offers feral animals such as Pigs and Deer a safe place to take a drink. The hooves of these animals have compacted the ground in this natural hollow to form a perennial puddle. A hollow like this would not just happen naturally by hoofed animals. (Note the muddiness of the water, testimony to frequent slurpers). The sheer weight of a giant tree weighing many tons, would in its self push the ground down and leaving a hollow.
  
The tree was between the body and the police camp. Unless there are other references that have not been taken into account, I believe the evidence here presented concludes the spot to be in this locality, on the Eastern bank of Germans Creek.

23 October 2004, almost 126 years after the fatal shooting of Sergeant Kennedy by Ned Kelly near this spot, a party of Kelly researchers gathered at Stringybark reserve for a guided walk-in to German's Creek. With no walking tracks as yet, it is hoped a trail will be marked following the Sergeant's footsteps from the site of the shootout at Stringybark to German Ck, where the Sergeant was killed by the Kelly Gang. In time it is hoped a rock memorial Cairn there will grow in size as more stones are added by those that visit the area.

 Click here to see Virtual tour Panorama of Germans Creek

This picture below would
more than likely be the first time in more than one and a quarter century that such a gathering took place at this historic spot since the police and volunteers search party found the body of the Sergeant 31 Oct 1878.


To record names of those in the photo above, please identify yourselves starting from the left; Out front hunched down is myself, Bill, with, on my left are ..

Standing from left of picture, persons 3 and 4 Gwenda and Arthur Marsh,
persons 6 and 7 Russell and Wendy Walker of Tolmie.
persons 8 &10- Sally and Ben Dykstra.....       

The exact site can be found by walking down Stringybark Creek road (from the Reserve) for about 100 meters. A large tree on the right hand side of the road has been chopped a little at head height, stop here, turn (90 degrees) to be facing West. Set your compass West and walk straight into the bush for about 400 meters, checking your bearing west as you go. You will come to German's Creek. At the creek turn right and walk down stream till you reach a largish natural clearing. The correct spot is at the junction of a western tributary where the two waters form one flow. There is a small pile of stones, the start of a Cairn.

GPS way points ; Germans Ck Cairn site
; 55h0428010
                                                                           5918962   (epe 7 meters.)

Kelly researcher Tim Smith              pictured, used his GPS                    instrument to locate the site at       German's Ck. GPS allowed us to     know how far into the bush we had travelled, an impossible task with     only a compass.
Numerous other spots were             considered till all the evidence      pointed to the established cairn site.
Here Tim detects for bullet lead at Kellys Creek just recently.


 


More to come



The back ground image is of Kelly camp circa 1883